It’s not often we get the privilege to hear a professional surfer speak freely. But in this clip, we’re treated to a candid and genuinely engaging conversation between two-time world champion John John Florence and South African Jordy Smith.

The two go deep on the art of competition, as well as what they’ve learnt from watching each other surf over the years, and their experiences coming up through the qualifying series.

You’ll also be pleased to know there’s complimentary surfing vision for most of the topics covered.